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JackJamesBond007 wrote:Roger Moore fans still exist, because he's a MANLY Bond. Shoot me, but I don't like Fleming's original character as he was a wimp, let's face it. Casino Royale novel bored me to death, and the rest, despite some of them had superb storylines (Moonraker being one of the best novels ever written), but it still had a godawful character. Without Terence Young's customization of the James Bond persona, which had Sean Connery as the hero's figure, I wouldn't have become a Bond fan at all. Moore's Bond was suave, charismatic, brave, humourist, and skilled spy, you can see his melee skills in Octopussy if you've missed it, he kicked some bloody arse in Octopussy's mansion. Come on, Moore's films were very comic book-styled fantasy with lots of escapism. How can someone dare to hate it? Brosnan has the same issue with pathetic little morons and goths out there. They will rot with the collapse of this cinematic media, nothing lasts forever.

Bond of the books a wimp!? That's really a new one! Never heard that before!He can withstand torture and not break. The character of the film Bond is grounded in the books, 'expanded' to make him bigger than life. Especially in the latter books, his self-deprecating humor is there. Terence Young would never have had the basics to work with. I like Moore, but as for kicking bloody arse in the mansion, or anywhere else :wink: One could suspend belief in his fights, mebbe 35%, 100% being a deadly but elegant killer. He fought more like my grandpappy.
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The Saint 007 wrote:
JackJamesBond007 wrote:Roger Moore fans still exist, because he's a MANLY Bond. Shoot me, but I don't like Fleming's original character as he was a wimp, let's face it. Casino Royale novel bored me to death, and the rest, despite some of them had superb storylines (Moonraker being one of the best novels ever written), but it still had a godawful character. Without Terence Young's customization of the James Bond persona, which had Sean Connery as the hero's figure, I wouldn't have become a Bond fan at all. Moore's Bond was suave, charismatic, brave, humourist, and skilled spy, you can see his melee skills in Octopussy if you've missed it, he kicked some bloody arse in Octopussy's mansion. Come on, Moore's films were very comic book-styled fantasy with lots of escapism. How can someone dare to hate it? Brosnan has the same issue with pathetic little morons and goths out there. They will rot with the collapse of this cinematic media, nothing lasts forever.

Bond of the books a wimp!? That's really a new one! Never heard that before!He can withstand torture and not break. The character of the film Bond is grounded in the books, 'expanded' to make him bigger than life. Especially in the latter books, his self-deprecating humor is there. Terence Young would never have had the basics to work with. I like Moore, but as for kicking bloody arse in the mansion, or anywhere else :wink: One could suspend belief in his fights, mebbe 35%, 100% being a deadly but elegant killer. He fought more like my grandpappy.
I'm terribly sorry for the disagreement, dear fella. But, Fleming's character was... how can I put it? hideous. I mean, just look at Daniel Cr-egg, he's the exaggerated version of Fleming' interpretation, emotionally unbalanced, unsure of himself, mentally tortured in some ways, and too casual compared to Connery's Bond. Terence Young himself was a World War II veteran, so he knows what he was doing. Connery shared nothing with the original character but the name, background and the occupation. The personality was completely different, more like Bulldog Drummond himself than Fleming's Bond (you can see the reasons I've given in the Skyfall Review thread). Connery's Bond was very sure of himself, and more often rescued the damsels in distress, but Fleming's character didn't care about it. Personally, when I've read Fleming's novels, I've never felt like I was reading a secret agent story or a Bond adventure. Seriously. It was more like a drama fiction rather than a spy franchise. I guess we owe Terence Young for making Bond a manly character we wanted. To be honest, I think Raymond Benson is the best Bond writer alongside Richard Maibaum and Bruce Feirstein (both screenwriters, of course), they knew how to deliver an over-the-top, exciting fantasy-based adventure for James Bond. When I hear "007", I imagine an indomitable hero facing super-villains, foiling their plans to either bring harm to the earth or start a World War III, destroy their lairs (including silos, control rooms, etc.), rescue the damsels in distress, deliver witty one liners all the time, and save the world after a climactic battle between him the villain along with his henchmen and troops. That is what Bond should be. He may be struggling but he never shows weakness. Fleming's character always struggled and showed weakness, just like he was going to collapse all the time while everyone else knew he could have done better than that. It's interesting to share our ideas and discuss about it, mate. Hope I'd be hearing from you soon. Cheers. :cheers:
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Fleming's character always struggled and showed weakness, just like he was going to collapse all the time while everyone else knew he could have done better than that. It's interesting to share our ideas and discuss about it, mate. Hope I'd be hearing from you soon. Cheers. :cheers:
That doesn't make him a wimp, though, it just means that the books are a little more grounded in reality than the films. You could argue that he's less of a wimp than a superhuman character who feels no real pain, because he pushes himself to the limit, rather than being able to come back from a severe beating with a witty quip and not a hair out of place. Personally, I've no objection to escapist comic-strip fantasy, but I don't buy the "Moore's Bond is more manly" argument.

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actually, it does, if you read OHMSS, his Bond, after the Ski Chase, was on the verge of falling into a Coma.

a fully trained Commando, would be able to sustain, and with the same lack of oxygen, a ski chase for over twice the distance. this suggests both a lack of physical strength and a lack of training on flemings charachters behalf.

he also uses, a Ladies gun to avoid the discomfort of Recoil (were as a man tolerates recoil and chooses a gun for its "stopping power" had his bond been a man, he would have used a Walther P38 (post FRWL) not a PPK, and a Colt Longslide in .455 Webly pre FRWL and not a beretta 418 handbag gun.

he also wears clothes for comfort, not combat, a man doesnt wear flimsy slip on moccasins (also, lazyness on the charachters part there, ever heard of a double knot mr fleming, you did have a son didnt you?) a man wears heavy black leather police duty shoes that can allow you to kick a foes face off!

also, he is traumatised on several occasions by the death of his enemies, were as any combat veteran, gains, to use the words of the Real Major John Franklin Mullins, USMC, Ret, "a form of emotional deadness, a sort of "sheild" around your brain". a Man is not traumatised by an enemies death, he just ignores it, the enemy deserved it!.

also, a man does not lie in the torturers chair half comatose, he drops the NUTT! on his torturer, breaks the foot bond, kicks his torturer under the chin so hard his spine snaps like a twig, then busts his ties, grabs the tortuers gun, and shoots his way out Stark Naked!

flemings charachter did none of this, and i am afraid to say, had he been real, and i was head of Mi6, i would be loathe to promote him past Junior Tea Boy.
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Glorious England wrote: also, a man does not lie in the torturers chair half comatose, he drops the NUTT! on his torturer, breaks the foot bond, kicks his torturer under the chin so hard his spine snaps like a twig, then busts his ties, grabs the tortuers gun, and shoots his way out Stark Naked!
And then he flies home. Because real men can fly, right?
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if by fly, you mean stealing a jet or helicopter and using that, then yes, a real man can fly, in todays battlefield, a commando isnt worth his insignia patch unless he has been trained to fly, in combat posture, everything from a Bell UH-1 to a Sukhoi Su-50 prototype.

although, flying home is not such a good idea, your going to run out of fuel, at least fly long enough to down the enemies air force, and far enough to get out of his radar range before setting her down.
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Glorious England wrote:if by fly, you mean stealing a jet or helicopter and using that, then yes, a real man can fly, in todays battlefield, a commando isnt worth his insignia patch unless he has been trained to fly, in combat posture, everything from a Bell UH-1 to a Sukhoi Su-50 prototype.

although, flying home is not such a good idea, your going to run out of fuel, at least fly long enough to down the enemies air force, and far enough to get out of his radar range before setting her down.
I meant flying like Superman. It was my jokey way of suggesting that the superhuman feats of endurance you demand from torture victims might not be entirely realistic. People under duress can sometimes do extroardinary things, but they are just that...extraordinary.
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The Fleming novels are ridiculous pulp fantasy adventures. There lots of moments where Bond is troubled and beaten up which is maybe a result of Fleming wanting to create a more realistic character and write better fiction, to create something a bit more than a pulp thriller.

The Craig movies are silly as he walks around like Steven Seagal beating everyone up, then a few token scenes of him wobbling a scotch in front of a mirror are thrown in.
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Kristatos, i, personally, do not give a pair of hoots for realism, it bores me to death. if i wanted realism, i will stay here, in real life, with all its myriad horrors and atrophies. i want a film to be grounded, yes, god, i dont want to see a man fly like superman, but i do want to see him snap the torturers spine with a massive kick. i want some escapism.

i hate seeing Protragonists, i like seeing Heros, and to me, a Hero never has to struggle with his body. a Hero, to me, HAS the strength to do what i have described, but he does have to dig deep to find it, sure, i want him to kick the guy torturing him clean across the room, but i want him to ROAR as he is doing so, and sweat, to show he is digging deep into his mental reserves, his very innermost Neanderthal, to find that super-human strength.

a Hero should "struggle", yes, but with other things, not emotions, no, that just makes me sick, literally, i am so nauseus i physically VOMIT when emotions are baught into it. that is, when they even make an iota of sence, thankfully they just fly over my head most of the time (autism issue for me probably), i'd rather see them struggle against an extremely strong, hyper intelligent enemy who really is every bit there equal, or even superior! (see Alec Trevelyan in the original Goldeneye film, thats what i call A BOSS FIGHT), or, against completly ovewheming and virtually impossible odds (see Any "Die Hard"...), a battle with the enemy, not his own pathetically low "realistic" limitations.

Look. i like my fantasy to be the sort that allows a Japanese schoolgirl to carry 2 Katanas, a Sig-552 (with c-mags), a P226R AND a Law 88 at the same time,and have the abilty to carve up a legion of goons in less than 2 pages, so, when you consider i view that as the "weak" end of the spectrum, anything less than John J. Rambo is going to ring up as "pathetic" on the man-end for me.

I am not calling for superman meets T-800 as played by 90's Segal (man, he went off the rails after Under Seige 2...). im just calling for a hero. someone who is emotionally reserved to the point of appearing emotionally Dead in the feild (hello Dutch), who only shows his actual emotional feelings to 1 or 2 very close people, and if they have to experience struggles, its against impossible odds, or an enemy who is Genuinely superior to himself for me. not against physical frailty or emotional inbalance, that is either boring or sickening to me.

i want Heroic fantasy. not realism. and if heroic fantasy involves a torture victim kicking his tortuer clean across the room like a Likeable version of Johnny Kage on a fully powered X-Ray Green Kick-Stage Fatality Kombo. then thats what it involves. keep it grounded, i dont want lazer guns or invisible cars, or, god forbid, Steven Segal style "invincibility mode", at least let the Hero take a few (dozen) blows (again, see the trevelyan fight). but i dont want to see some darn WIMP with uncontrolable and pathetic emotions and action scene Denying physical frailties on my screen either.

if i wanted an emotionally unstable physically frail wimp on my screen, id watch a chick flick thank you very much.

can you see were i am coming from now?
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Glorious England wrote: can you see were i am coming from now?
Sort of, but a character with no physical or emotional vulnerabilities would be very boring to me. The scene you describe of Bond breaking his bonds and shooting his way out with the villain's gun would result in a movie devoid of any suspense, as we would never feel that he was in any danger. The Bond I like is the Bond who seemed hopelessly outmatched by Odd Job (to take an example from my favourite Bond film), but who managed to defeat him through sheer cunning, NOT through superhuman feats of strength.
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The Bond of the books -- simple escapism.... in TB Bond has trouble doing pressups and staggers to the shower, this because of his reliance on 60 cigarettes a day and his drinking habit. He has what Fleming has 'the touch' though, for some inexplicable reason in times of greatest danger he's able to save the day when another, perhaps super trained fellow would fall flat on his face. This is true in real life as well, when the ordinary cook receives a medal for bravery being at the right place and being the right man at the right time ... when a more formally trained man would have failed to do the job. Bond of the books has an extraordinary courage when he needs it. As for saving the damsels in distress, we can see this in even the booklet TSWLM. Yesh, the Oddjob fight is a classic; I also like YOLT's fight at Osaka's office, with Bond using a couch as weapon! That's what Bond should be, doing the amazing while playing it 'straight.'
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Look. i like my fantasy to be the sort that allows a Japanese schoolgirl to carry 2 Katanas, a Sig-552 (with c-mags), a P226R AND a Law 88 at the same time,and have the abilty to carve up a legion of goons in less than 2 pages, so, when you consider i view that as the "weak" end of the spectrum, anything less than John J. Rambo is going to ring up as "pathetic" on the man-end for me. (edit, oops sorry Glorious England) :oops:

I like super escapism in other films... Kick Ass is a prime example, with the super Hit Girl, who was barely in her teens and able to cut off a man's legs with one swath, while the soundtrack blares 'la la la...' and then near the end she infiltrates the baddie's lobby ala Clint Eastwood wearing innocent schoolgirl togs (like the Japanese action maidens) ... plus HG does this with a potty mouth, which works only for her; with others it wouldn't. You make an exception for HG... btw this film was written by a female. KA 2 is written by a male, I don't know how it will turn out.
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KA-2 will turn out better than KA-1 i think, as it's being written by Mark Millar, who created the original Kick-Ass Graphic novel mini Series.


what i personally want from bond is basically, a return to Goldeneye '95. a very tough, very professional, emotionally ultra reserved agent, near super-human in abilities, whos struggles come not from mind or body, but from incalculable odds. and a villain even Smarter, Faster and Tougher than He is, who also happens to be completely emotionally dead. no more wimps and weirdos. i cant remember anything about Greene or Lechriffre, and can only remember Silva in his "natural" form with the bulging eye and the bald head and most his teeth missing. but i can remember every inch of Obanno and General Medrano, as they were proper villains, sadly, reduced to little more than "mook" cameos. i want a return to the bond Seen in Ge'95, and i want some real, proper, villains and threats again. No More "emotional intensity" or "political realism" i want some proper escapism again.
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Glorious England wrote:KA-2 will turn out better than KA-1 i think, as it's being written by Mark Millar, who created the original Kick-Ass Graphic novel mini Series.


what i personally want from bond is basically, a return to Goldeneye '95. a very tough, very professional, emotionally ultra reserved agent, near super-human in abilities, whos struggles come not from mind or body, but from incalculable odds. and a villain even Smarter, Faster and Tougher than He is, who also happens to be completely emotionally dead. no more wimps and weirdos. i cant remember anything about Greene or Lechriffre, and can only remember Silva in his "natural" form with the bulging eye and the bald head and most his teeth missing. but i can remember every inch of Obanno and General Medrano, as they were proper villains, sadly, reduced to little more than "mook" cameos. i want a return to the bond Seen in Ge'95, and i want some real, proper, villains and threats again. No More "emotional intensity" or "political realism" i want some proper escapism again.
Why, someone who thinks along the lines of Commander 0077! :cheers: Yes, GE had a great script with a return to the Bond of old, plus new touches without forgetting the uniqueness of Bond. Bond needs great villains, bigger than life.... not only that, but the Bond women in GE were a cut above, Natasha one of the most beautiful in the series and "Miss Crushthighs' a further nice touch. The one thing missing in GE is the music ... if it had John Barry, think of the increase in atmosphere. That, and no Theme when Brosnan says, "Bond ....."

As for Green, I just remember the scene in the train, which would have been OK, if it had a proper Bond... I can't recall LeChiffre or anyone else, just that Bond was ex-SAS, a captain, I think? Or was that a bad dream?

Then in the latest 'escapade' they have M go off with Bond to Bond's old home and have a dreary battle, thankfully M gets killed, the highpoint of the Craig-series.... sorry, I don't want PC, I want a crusty male M. If you've ever seen Under Siege, I think the admiral in that one would have made a good M, even though American. He has the frosty look down pat.
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Then, the four of us are on the same side, again. Cheers, old chap. :cheers:
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commander0077again wrote: As for Green, I just remember the scene in the train, which would have been OK, if it had a proper Bond... I can't recall LeChiffre or anyone else, just that Bond was ex-SAS, a captain, I think? Or was that a bad dream?
Vesper did call him an "SAS type", and a lot of people took that literally to mean that they had retconned his history to make him ex-SAS. But the biography on the official CR website showed that he was still an ex-Royal Navy commander, as before. Vesper's comment was just her initial observation of him, and not based on any actual knowledge of his history.
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commander0077again wrote: As for Green, I just remember the scene in the train, which would have been OK, if it had a proper Bond... I can't recall LeChiffre or anyone else, just that Bond was ex-SAS, a captain, I think? Or was that a bad dream?
Vesper did call him an "SAS type", and a lot of people took that literally to mean that they had retconned his history to make him ex-SAS. But the biography on the official CR website showed that he was still an ex-Royal Navy commander, as before. Vesper's comment was just her initial observation of him, and not based on any actual knowledge of his history.
All well and good except Daniel is a "SAS type", nobody would have mistaken any of the other fellows as such.

It's hazy now however I believe the office Sony Bio in early 2006 did have Daniel's "007" as SAS then it was quickly (and quietly) changed when fans noticed. Odd how that one relativity minor hang up got action while the rest of our concerns were ignored and attacked by the powers at EON for daring to question how they could change 40 + years of a character to a nightclub bouncer part time football player who picked up part time work for HMSS through a Craigslist advert; (Rough Bloke Needed, No Experience Required. Do you feel like a blunt instrument, Call M -work and home number listed).

Not to go in to the young James Bond being played by a man who looked older than Roger Moore.
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:cheers:

Agreed, GE has a very odd music score, at times, it shows signs of sheer Brilliance, the music used in statue park still haunts my darkest nightmares, and the cold, harsh, soviet inspired, industrial used in the pre Credits is fantastic, pure "Real First Person Shooter", the Theme Tune (by Bono and Edge from U2) is also Brain Blowingly spectacular. but the rest of the film's music is sadly all confused noise, the worst example being the car chase, wich really should have been scored by Romolo Di Prisko in my Opinion, Aquila 303, Cetus 808 (especially Cetus 808! its one of the awesome "supercar" driving themes), or Hydrus 606 would have fitted perfectly i feel, or maybe Romulus 3, Perhaps Sirius 909 as well, although 909 is a bit short. (any of his NFSIII "Trance" tunes really, owing to the presence of the F355 Spyder, wich, in berlinetta "F1" form, is in my opinion, Ferrari's Most Beautifull mid engined v8 car (the Gorgeous F50 taking that title for the mid engined 12 cylinder cars) although, how that Db5 kept up with a Ferrari F355 i dont know, perhaps the original plan to use the Db7 (also in NFSIII) would have been more appropriate) Eric Serra was a bad choice, although he shows moments of Genious, his work is also far too erratic. A return to John Barry, or Hiring David Arnold (who i feel is terribly underrated) a film early would have worked far better.

i hated Ge'95 Natalya, way too "feisty" they got the balance wrong, but she was at least Nicer than Pam Bouvier or,ugggh, Dr Holly Goodhead, as much as i hate the activision COD remake of Ge, i practically (oh, all right, actually) Fell in Love with its version of Natalya!.

However, Famke Jansenn's Xenia Onataopp ("She Always did enjoy a good squeeze") manages to be Classy, Sensual, and Brutally Evil all at once, and is the iconic template for the "bad bond girl" in my opinion.

i only remember how much green's insubordination RILED me :evil: :cuss: , i'd have shot her in the head on the train for being insubordinate and a threat to the mission. not that id use a p-99, the things a pile of trash. yes, the ppk had to go, too small a magazine for modern combat conditions (7), no stopping power, short ranged owing to the short muzzle, and the .380 ACP FMJ ammo is a swine to get your hands on now, but why the p-99? its badly made, rushed out, unreliable, innaccurate, has bad sights, and has terrible muzzle rise, its even worse than the Sig P-226 and this is saying something, they should have given Bond, back in TND, either a Beretta M9 (USMC varient as its got the better Trijcon Sights) , or, for my personal Preference, the Glock 17, perhaps the finest 9mm nato calibre handgun ever made.

I remember Obanno from "Royale With Cheese", i remember every inch of Stephan Obanno, in a Proper Bond Movie, HE would have been the main villain, Twisted, Cruel, and Brutal, a massive physical threat and with a truly hideous, smallpox ravaged, appearance, what a waste that he was only a "named mook" (basically a "sub boss"), if the wasting of Mads Mikkelsen's talents by the Incompetant producers and screenwriters on the film hadnt been so Criminal, the Misuse of Rob De Bankole's excellent portrayal of Obanno would have been even more Unforgivable.

Craigs "Charachter" is supposedly a former Second Leftenant in the SBS- "Specialised Boat Services" (the Royal Navy answer to SAS) Despite the fact his personality and "issues with command" would have seen him demobbed owing to being classified as "Section 8" (Insane) before he even finished squarebashing (basic training) in the real version of Her Majesties armed forces.

The Website for Royale With Cheese said Commander, you are correct Kristatos, but seeing as a Commander Rank would make him a "Rupert" to the boys in SBS, he wouldnt have seen feild duty with them as described, to do that, hed have to be an NCO, such as Second leftenant, wich was his rank in Carte Blanche.

I have No issues with a Female M, if she has every bit as much Fire as her male counterparts. I thoroughly enjoyed Mawdsley (the Brosnan M), owing to her Sheer Gutso "M, Sometimes i Don't think you have the Balls for this Job..." "Maybe not, but the advantage is, i dont have to think with them all the time". and Rather enjoyed the changing Allegience Between her and Bond, Starting in Contempt and Distrust, with active Dislike in GE, moving to Respect in TND and TWINE, to what can only be Described as an Actual Freindship in NF and EON.

however, the second M Dench played, a completely different charachter, did not impress me at all. her name currently escapes me in fact as i was so underwhelemd, although she started very promisingly in Royale With Cheese, having all the films best scenes, in particular when she calls craig exactly what he is, "a Pathetic Street Thug, a blunt instrument", and especially her rant against parliament, she was sadly dialled down into some wishy washy old "mother" fiqure by the increasingly more pathetic screenwriting. it is a releif to be rid of her, but , owing to her superb M in the Brosnan era, I'd have rather she had a better, More Meaningfull Death, perhaps at the hands of the Chinese Premier, not at the hands of some pathetic, and worse, homosexual, Alec Trevelyan Wannabe (albiet with none of Alec's physical strength, twisted charm, hitlerian charisma, or that sheer aura of badass that made you genuinely beleive he was really handing peirce his own intestines in that fight) played by a criminally misused Javier Bardem, who really could have been a Second Sean Bean if there was anyone Competant left in charge of the Bond Movies.

That her death was a result of her Own INCOMPETANCE (unable to shoot correctly, and re-hiring an agent explictly described as being "unfit for duty, unpatriotic, insane, and should be marked for extermination" instead of having him shot like she was supposed to) makes it even worse. no one that Incompetant would make it to head of Her Majesties Secret Intelligence Service. they would be, at most, the head of the Secretarial Pool!

oddly, the one in Bloodstone appears to be Mawdsley rather than the new Craig era M....

Of Course i have seen Under Seige, what action fan hasnt?, Although im not the biggest fan of Steven Seagal, Under Siege, and its Sequal, are excellent action Movies on their own merits, and are quilty pleasures for me. And agreed, the Admiral in the first film has the Perfect M Personality,just change him from an American to An Englishman. I think Ffeins has what it takes to be a Thunderous and professional M. But, i cannot see babs allowing him to play one. He'll be some pathetic businessman who panders to every childish whim of his Pet Thug. a Daddy Dearest to Replace Mommy Dearest, because logan clearly had one very screwed up childhood, it comes through in his scripts, why on earth did she hire HIM?. for heavens sakes, SOMEONE SHUT MGM ALREADY! then Warners can take over and make her clear her desk out.

we need another Reboot. Preferably Under Warners, and Preferably under Paul Dini and Bruce Timm. or at the very least David G Wilson, as he is at least COMPETANT, unlike his Step Aunt and his Father, who sadly, seems to be showing a lot of signs of severe mental decay.

we need an all new cast and crew.

and, good Point Blowfeild, why hire a Man who looks 50 to play a 30 year old wimp, Henry Cavill would have been a better fit (too pretty to be a tough guy, someone needs to break his nose for him, then he could play a tough guy). i quess babs wanted someone who could realistically play a traitorous thug, wich knocked the other 3 planned Replacement For Peirce out of the running. Cavill and Fassbender have way too much class (even as a nazi, Fassbender was pure class), and although Clive Owen can play a right bit of rough (Spike..), he has too much charm and charisma to be beleivable as a thug/traitor. Craig is hideously ugly, and has no charm or charisma, wich made him perfect for her idea of "thugman 007" seeing as Wayne Rooney was probably Unavailable.
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Re: What if YOU met Babs or MGW?

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He said it all. Couldn't have been said better.
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If i met BB and MGW, i would ask them, that after making 'CR' how the hell did they screw up so badly with 'QOS', which in my opinion, is the most unwatchable, and least enjoyable Bond film of the entire series.
Personally, i wish the film could be deleted from the Bond history, as the film was truly abysmal! :(

Mind you, most people here i would gather, would like to see the last 3 Bond films removed from Bond's history :D
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