What if YOU met Babs or MGW?

[FormerBondFan]

The cinematic federation has decided to "honour" your franchise with those billion dollars you've earned.

Cinematic federation? More like cinematic empire if you ask me.

[bjmdds]

FBF, ST 2 looks

[Omega]

Face to face it would have to be;
"Bring Back Bond!"

Trouble is, they can now say "*Our* Bond grossed a billion dollars, why the hell should we?"

I can simply respond to that: "We all know that it wasn't your rubbish story or performance that grossed the film a billion dollars, it was the advert of the "50th Anniversary" event that brought you all that blood money, if you deny this, then I really fear for your bloody sanity. The cinematic federation has decided to "honour" your franchise with those billion dollars you've earned. Be it released in a regular year, it would've been a huge flop, you're SO stupid not to admit that and effin' lie to the mindless audiences out there".

Some of the success is they tired to embrace the old Bond, I don't think they did a particularly good job of it because a lot of the emo drama and stupid plot detracted from it.

I think the real issue is a billion is not what it used to be, Titanic did 2 billion in 1997, 2009 avatar kicks its butt without even being in the same number of sales.
The bond movies (someone converted them to 2012) are almost always in the $600 to $700 million range, add the UK going nuts which they always do for bond, add the US adding a $100 million more than usual, china, and other expanded territories, a Billion is not the unbelievable achievement it used to be.

I didn't think they do but still looking at it apples to apples its not as big as it would of be say ten years ago.

One curious thing is there is a lot of hate for Skyfall, just not on the fall in line (or else!) fans sites, general movie sites are far harsher and critical especially after all the hype.
I've seen quite a few used copies being sold on ebay where the sellers says bought it, watched it once and didn't like it. There is something to this I think, IMO they successfully sold a movie in the 50th anniversary years, but it will not stand the test of time, probably suffer a lot worse then CR\/ But where do they go from here? they kind of pulled out all the stops for the third bite at the Bond Begins apple, openly ripping off other movie franchises, so can they go up?, do they supper backlash form the hype the next time round?, can they hold where they are at each time out?

Will anyone care in three years what Craig's take on Bond will be?

[Glorious England]

To be honest, i cant see there actually Being a Bond Franchise in 3 years time!,

I can see a massive media hiccup on the horizon due to the pretty much inevitable complete and total utter collapse of the American Economy, that is going to probably Annhilate Colombia-Tristar, along with 90% of the rest of Holly-Hood, leaving the series with no publisher!

And well, with "Bond" pretty much turning into a middle aged version of "Noel Winters" (Ben Drew) from the Fantastic "Harry Brown", due to Babs psychosis and a real life STREET THUG taking the role on, The MASSIVE backlash, anger and dissapointment with Skyfail now its been exposed to the cold light of day, and the once cash generating and important Games Franchise now a laughing stock and so badly damaged by craptivision people may never buy a James Bond game again...

lets just say if it was a car, its a catagory A insurance write off thats been wrapped round a lamp-post, has flipped over 20 times, has caught fire, and then finished up in a manure heap. next stop. the scrapheap.

It will cost a FORTUNE to undo the damage wreaked upon Bond since 2006. and thats just to remove the film rights from the boiled vegetable!, let alone hiring competant staff who can undo the damage, and with more and more people professing boycott against the franchise, taking it on would pretty much be buisness suicide.

So the question is not, "who will care about cr-eggs "super secret thug" in three years time?", but more, "whos going to risk business suicide taking on what is rapidly becoming a failed franchise?"

as Much as id LOVE to see Warner Brothers take the franchise on...i cant see them doing it, too much risk of crippling financial loss.

[Kristatos]

To be honest, i cant see there actually Being a Bond Franchise in 3 years time!,

I can see a massive media hiccup on the horizon due to the pretty much inevitable complete and total utter collapse of the American Economy, that is going to probably Annhilate Colombia-Tristar, along with 90% of the rest of Holly-Hood, leaving the series with no publisher!

And well, with "Bond" pretty much turning into a middle aged version of "Noel Winters" (Ben Drew) from the Fantastic "Harry Brown", due to Babs psychosis and a real life STREET THUG taking the role on, The MASSIVE backlash, anger and dissapointment with Skyfail now its been exposed to the cold light of day, and the once cash generating and important Games Franchise now a laughing stock and so badly damaged by craptivision people may never buy a James Bond game again...

lets just say if it was a car, its a catagory A insurance write off thats been wrapped round a lamp-post, has flipped over 20 times, has caught fire, and then finished up in a manure heap. next stop. the scrapheap.

It will cost a FORTUNE to undo the damage wreaked upon Bond since 2006. and thats just to remove the film rights from the boiled vegetable!, let alone hiring competant staff who can undo the damage, and with more and more people professing boycott against the franchise, taking it on would pretty much be buisness suicide.

So the question is not, "who will care about cr-eggs "super secret thug" in three years time?", but more, "whos going to risk business suicide taking on what is rapidly becoming a failed franchise?"

as Much as id LOVE to see Warner Brothers take the franchise on...i cant see them doing it, too much risk of crippling financial loss.

I hope this isn't seen as "biting the noobs", but this response reminds me of the old British left-wingers from the '50s and '60s, the type parodied by Peter Sellers' Fred Kite character in I'm All Right Jack, assuring us that capitalism was going to collapse any day now and usher in the glorious People's Republic. I don't see much evidence of a massive backlash outside of IMDb, where the message boards of any popular or critically acclaimed film are full of people saying how "overrated" it is. I agree with them in Skyfall's case, but it's very much an example of a stopped clock being right twice a day.

Edit: for the record, I do believe there will be a backlash against Craig, but it will come after he has left the franchise and the people now praising him to the skies are calling the next guy "the best Bond since Connery" and pretending they never liked Craig.

[The Saint 007]

There ought to be a James Bond Cycle meme made. New actor is declared as a cool/bada$$ Bond, and the best since Sean Connery. Years later, another actor takes over, and the former is suddenly declared as an uncool/wimpy Bond, who has some of the worst films in the series. And the cycle repeats again.

[John P. Drake]

There ought to be a James Bond Cycle meme made. New actor is declared as a cool/bada$$ Bond, and the best since Sean Connery. Years later, another actor takes over, and the former is suddenly declared as an uncool/wimpy Bond, who has some of the worst films in the series. And the cycle repeats again.

What do you expect from mindless noobster goths and teenagers?

[Omega]

There ought to be a James Bond Cycle meme made. New actor is declared as a cool/bada$$ Bond, and the best since Sean Connery. Years later, another actor takes over, and the former is suddenly declared as an uncool/wimpy Bond, who has some of the worst films in the series. And the cycle repeats again.

In a way I suppose it is true, Dalton. Lazenby were not loved when they left, Moore certainly was not and still gets all the blame for whatever fans think is wrong with Bond at the moment.
I'm not so sure we will see craig turned in to a villian, but I do know outside Bond forums he is not worshiped as the best thing EVA!

[The Saint 007]

There ought to be a James Bond Cycle meme made. New actor is declared as a cool/bada$$ Bond, and the best since Sean Connery. Years later, another actor takes over, and the former is suddenly declared as an uncool/wimpy Bond, who has some of the worst films in the series. And the cycle repeats again.

In a way I suppose it is true, Dalton. Lazenby were not loved when they left, Moore certainly was not and still gets all the blame for whatever fans think is wrong with Bond at the moment.
I'm not so sure we will see craig turned in to a villian, but I do know outside Bond forums he is not worshiped as the best thing EVA!

The whole "Best Bond since Sean Connery" is something that started in the Brosnan era. I remember when Brosnan was considered to be a cool and even a tough Bond. He was the best since Connery, and the perfect modern Bond. That is, until Craig showed up. Now Craig is the best since Connery (some even suggest better), and the cool/hardcore modern Bond, while Brosnan has suddenly become the uncool pretty boy, who's Bond films were terrible and killed the series. Will this same thing happen to Craig once he steps down from the role? We'll just have to wait and see.

In regards to Moore, even though he gets a lot of unnecessary flack, he still has many fans who appreciate him as Bond. It's just that I think lots of Roger Moore fans tend to shy away from the forums, because of all the hate and trolling.

[John P. Drake]

There ought to be a James Bond Cycle meme made. New actor is declared as a cool/bada$$ Bond, and the best since Sean Connery. Years later, another actor takes over, and the former is suddenly declared as an uncool/wimpy Bond, who has some of the worst films in the series. And the cycle repeats again.

In a way I suppose it is true, Dalton. Lazenby were not loved when they left, Moore certainly was not and still gets all the blame for whatever fans think is wrong with Bond at the moment.
I'm not so sure we will see craig turned in to a villian, but I do know outside Bond forums he is not worshiped as the best thing EVA!

The whole "Best Bond since Sean Connery" is something that started in the Brosnan era. I remember when Brosnan was considered to be a cool and even a tough Bond. He was the best since Connery, and the perfect modern Bond. That is, until Craig showed up. Now Craig is the best since Connery (some even suggest better), and the cool/hardcore modern Bond, while Brosnan has suddenly become the uncool pretty boy, who's Bond films were terrible and killed the series. Will this same thing happen to Craig once he steps down from the role? We'll just have to wait and see.

In regards to Moore, even though he gets a lot of unnecessary flack, he still has many fans who appreciate him as Bond. It's just that I think lots of Roger Moore fans tend to shy away from the forums, because of all the hate and trolling.

Roger Moore fans still exist, because he's a MANLY Bond. Shoot me, but I don't like Fleming's original character as he was a wimp, let's face it. Casino Royale novel bored me to death, and the rest, despite some of them had superb storylines (Moonraker being one of the best novels ever written), but it still had a godawful character. Without Terence Young's customization of the James Bond persona, which had Sean Connery as the hero's figure, I wouldn't have become a Bond fan at all. Moore's Bond was suave, charismatic, brave, humourist, and skilled spy, you can see his melee skills in Octopussy if you've missed it, he kicked some bloody arse in Octopussy's mansion. Come on, Moore's films were very comic book-styled fantasy with lots of escapism. How can someone dare to hate it? Brosnan has the same issue with pathetic little morons and goths out there. They will rot with the collapse of this cinematic media, nothing lasts forever.

[The Saint 007]

Roger Moore fans still exist, because he's a MANLY Bond. Shoot me, but I don't like Fleming's original character as he was a wimp, let's face it. Casino Royale novel bored me to death, and the rest, despite some of them had superb storylines (Moonraker being one of the best novels ever written), but it still had a godawful character. Without Terence Young's customization of the James Bond persona, which had Sean Connery as the hero's figure, I wouldn't have become a Bond fan at all. Moore's Bond was suave, charismatic, brave, humourist, and skilled spy, you can see his melee skills in Octopussy if you've missed it, he kicked some bloody arse in Octopussy's mansion. Come on, Moore's films were very comic book-styled fantasy with lots of escapism. How can someone dare to hate it? Brosnan has the same issue with pathetic little morons and goths out there. They will rot with the collapse of this cinematic media, nothing lasts forever.

Roger Moore has plenty of fans, but on the Internet you would sometimes think the complete opposite because of all the hate. This is why I think his fans tend to avoid the forums for the most part, since they don't want to deal with the unnecessary garbage. Critics have never really been too fond of Moore because he didn't go by their agenda, and there's the people who think it's cool to hate on him because they're most likely insecure about themselves. I can side with the ones who don't particularly care for the humorous approach to Moore's films, but as for the trolls and snobby critics, to hell with them. Their constant hate isn't going to change the fact that I really enjoy Moore as Bond.

I got into the Bond series with the films, and read the Fleming books later. While I think the books are pretty good, I still prefer the films more. I really like the escapism/superspy approach to Bond. The books are how Bond began, but it's the films that made the character a pop cultural phenomenon all over the world.

[Dr. No]

I knew you misspelled it Dr. No. I want to somehow meet the green vegetable in NYC and have a chat with her. MGW IS retired......he is just unaware of it. Why do you like 3 better than 1? That's unusual.

Raiders is a close second, I like Last Crusade the best because it has Connery, a great Story, and great father son dynamic, also I went to the movies to see it with my dad which was a big deal for us.

[FormerBondFan]

That is, until Craig showed up. Now Craig is the best since Connery (some even suggest better), and the cool/hardcore modern Bond, while Brosnan has suddenly become the uncool pretty boy, who's Bond films were terrible and killed the series.

Which is why the likes of Sheamus and Wade Barrett should take over as Bond once DC retires.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

That is, until Craig showed up. Now Craig is the best since Connery (some even suggest better), and the cool/hardcore modern Bond, while Brosnan has suddenly become the uncool pretty boy, who's Bond films were terrible and killed the series.

Which is why the likes of Sheamus and Wade Barrett should take over as Bond once DC retires.

Now Brosnan fans know what it was like to be a Dalton fan in the 1990's. Except that Dalton wasn't held up as the second coming of JC, only to be dropped like a stone.

[The Saint 007]

First Brosnan was deemed as the best since Connery, and now Craig. If this ends up being the case with the next actor, then it's definitely some new marketing trend.

[FormerBondFan]

If this ends up being the case with the next actor, then it's definitely some new marketing trend.

Then anyone can be Bond. Anything Goes Free For All!

[John P. Drake]

Brosnan is my second favourite Bond, which makes me a fan of his, but I never hated Timothy Dalton. He was completely awesome in the role, but only his first film is canon for me, and it was one hell of a movie, The Living Daylights was simply outstanding, a Classic Bond in 1980s. And also, Dalton was charismatic, skilled and professional, as well. And now, all we get from critics is a comparison between Cr-egg and Dalton. Hell no. They have no similarities at all. Dalton was a humane Bond, Cr-egg IS and will still BE a pussy, another noobster who thinks he's another Matt Damon.

[The Saint 007]

In my opinion, Dalton has a better balance of the cinematic/literary Bond than Craig.

[Kristatos]

First Brosnan was deemed as the best since Connery, and now Craig. If this ends up being the case with the next actor, then it's definitely some new marketing trend.

Dalton too, for a time, before the press and fans turned on him, just as they did with Brosnan. I was only 7 years old when Moore took on the role, so I don't know if he was ever described as "the best Bond since Connery", but I doubt it, as it would have been a meaningless compliment. His first EON Bond film followed on directly from Connery's last, and the only other competitor was George Lazenby, who had only done one film and wasn't well-regarded at the time, though his stock has gone up somewhat since.

[The Saint 007]

First Brosnan was deemed as the best since Connery, and now Craig. If this ends up being the case with the next actor, then it's definitely some new marketing trend.

Dalton too, for a time, before the press and fans turned on him, just as they did with Brosnan. I was only 7 years old when Moore took on the role, so I don't know if he was ever described as "the best Bond since Connery", but I doubt it, as it would have been a meaningless compliment. His first EON Bond film followed on directly from Connery's last, and the only other competitor was George Lazenby, who had only done one film and wasn't well-regarded at the time, though his stock has gone up somewhat since.

I knew Dalton received some praise, but I didn't know it was along the lines of best Bond since Connery. All the more reason why a James Bond Cycle meme should be made.